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RE: Suggestions 2008/08/30 01:50:47 (permalink)
Work hard but joyfully to move our Church forward to be inclusive. Be dedicated to living the gospel values of peace, equality and justice.  Encourage people to grow!
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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/01 00:18:38 (permalink)
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Dear Sophie,

In the US there are ribbon magnets that people put on cars that say "Support our Troops". I thought it would be good to have one that says "Ordain Women".

If you (or anyone else) can tell us where to get such magnets made, please let us know.




 
 
Dear friend,

I have checked out information about your question.  I am told that advertising companies and sometimes printshops make the magnets. I have also checked among our sister organisations to see who migh have 'merchandise' already made and available.  The U.S. Women's Ordination Conference (WOC) has an online shop.  It is available here: http://www.womensordination.org/merchandise.htm

Though WOC is short on stock (a recent destructive fire reduced their inventory along with their computers and library), some products are currently available.  When I checked, buttons and t-shirts were for sale.  Items like posters, books, purple stoles, baseball hats, cards and bumper stickers were out of stock.

We may have some posters and buttons for sale from our own office.  I will check the next time I am there and come back to let you know.

with love and blessings,

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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/03 02:29:03 (permalink)
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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/05 01:28:51 (permalink)
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**Stay Calm - Be Brave - Wait for the Signs**

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Car magnets are good signs. They will help us identify one another at Church.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/26 02:56:19 (permalink)
Don't get caught up in the old Drama Triangle Dynamic of Persecutor, Victim, Rescuer.  It is unskilful and isn't helpful to moving things forward to the better day.  Instead, it contributes to stagnation in the stink.
 
Funny thing. Rescuers often create their own victims.
 
Somebody must be a leader who leads elegantly in breaking the cycle.  And the leader isn't going to be a 'bmw' or an 'nbc.'  Become empowered.  Learn how to master an empowerment dynamic.  See the possibilities for change.  Be committed to the new and healthier vision.
 
The empowerment dynamic does not equal persecutor, victim, rescuer.
 
The empowerment dynamic equals challenger, creator and coach.  Be a leader on the leading edge instead of clubbing sick people over the heads for what have been mistakes.
 
The challenger voice says "I believe we can do better than this."  It makes a strong demand for more effort when required.  It conscientiously builds up  rather than constantly whining and tearing down.
 
bmw = bitching, moaning and whining.
nbc = nagging, bitching and complaining
 
Don't be a load of sad sacks.
 
What we need is leaders and not arm chair diagnosticians who harrangue on and on in self-righteous indignation. 
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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/26 03:32:18 (permalink)
The harangue has come from the opponents of women’s ordination.
 
This website is proposing a better way. The women and men who support the ordination of women offer their ideas and encouragement as well as criticisms. It is healthy to be able to finally have a voice.
 
We are engaging in open debate and our goal is the ordination of women. We are the candle in the darkness, sometimes flickering and sometimes burning bright but always there to light the way.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/09/26 03:56:25 (permalink)
Yes. I see that you are and you are to be congratulated for that.   In many of the conversations that I have read so far, I see a high level of inteomgrity being demonstrated and a deep committment to active discipleship working to foster the heart and mind of Christ in the places where the shadows are the darkest.
 
My comments could have been better articulated. I meant that they be delivered to the voices who constantly beat up on sinners for many mistakes.   Besides opponents to ordination, I have read in some threads a harangue that appears to come from opponents of all who identify themselves with this Church.
 
Sometimes change is slow and happens only one death at a time.  Taking the high road, it is honourable work to be openning the roads to make way for the better way!
 
May peace be with you as you walk with Christ and keep up the excellent work.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/11/03 05:11:05 (permalink)
speak truth to power in creative ways.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/11/24 21:17:50 (permalink)
I have just signed up at a local church for a year-long committement to saying the rosary once a month for an increase in spiritual renewal and evangelism.  I'm going to include a request for women's full equality in vocations as well.  Since it's been a while since I've said the rosary for anything, I thought it would be a good review, as well as a planned opportunity to remind God about this issue.
 
This is something I think could be done in any church, women's group, or other organization.  The overall idea is to have someone in the parish saying the rosary for a specific intention every month for a year.  The organizers posted a 31-day calendar with a variety of intentions, and asked parishners to sign up for one or more days each month.  Intentions included prayer specifically for the priest, for our government leaders, for married couples, for people struggling with special issues, for the poor, and so on, one intention each day. 
 
On a more related level, we could organize a group in our own churches or individually choose to say the rosary once a week or month for the intention of women's ordination, or other intention you think would help advance this cause. 
 
 
A small change of focus: Sophie suggested that I might want to post some ideas I generated a while back on the question of encouraging a stronger focus on women's contributions to the church.  I have not had a chance to try any of these myself yet -- my parish just this month merged with another parish, and my church has effectively closed as of yesterday, so I'm now "church shopping".  But here are the ideas.  If anyone tries any of them, please let me know how it goes.
 
  • Encourage the church to set aside Sundays in ordinary time to honor women in Christian history.  Part of this could include brief research papers or skits or other forms of presentations from CCD students.  (You might also want to suggest this to any homeschooling families in your parish.  Not only will it give the kids a chance to participate, but the families can include it as part of the students’ required English Literature and Writing exercises.  Everybody wins!)  Student presentations could be done just after the homily, or at a special program before or after Mass, or at some other reasonable time.
  • If you belong to a Bible study group, suggest that they spend a year (or some other amount of time) focusing on readings that involve women in both the Old and New Testaments.  There is a Catholic Woman’s Bible on the market, which articles on various women in both Testaments.  Be warned – a lot of the articles focus on aspects of motherhood, but it would be a place to start.
  • If your church does a Vacation Bible School, work in the theme of women from the Bible.  It may not be the overall theme, but there should be a way to get something in there.
  • Anyone out there who can sing or dance might want to put a performance together highlighting Biblical women.  In the same vein, if you can write, research and submit articles on women’s contributions to the Church over the centuries.  Churches in my area receive The Catholic Sun.  I’d have to check and see what their policy is for submission.
  • If nothing else, continue to promote women’s equality around the world.  One of the reasons the Church changed its teaching on slavery was because much of society did so first.  Secular society and the Church influence each other, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.” Margaret Mead
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RE: Suggestions 2008/11/24 22:55:30 (permalink)
If you belong to a Bible study group, suggest that they spend a year (or some other amount of time) focusing on readings that involve women in both the Old and New Testaments.  There is a Catholic Woman’s Bible on the market, which articles on various women in both Testaments.  Be warned – a lot of the articles focus on aspects of motherhood, but it would be a place to start.

 
My local parish has just started a bible study group.  They have set this year's theme as Women in the Bible which surprized me.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/07 22:54:59 (permalink)
I think it would be worthwhile for an organization like Future Church to produce a non-sexist lectionary; that is a lectionary free of sexist language in the prayers and leaving out the sexist sections in the letters of Paul.
 
If there were such a project I would gladly provide a monetary contribution.
 
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/08 20:01:50 (permalink)
Greetings Miranda and others!   Yes , increasing awareness of women in the bible is excellent.  Hopefully this can be done with truth and sensitivity and the integrity and inclusive love that Jesus had for women too. 
 
 I observed an archbishop discussing the Samaritan woman story of John book of the New Testament and was apalled by his narrow, misogynist take on it.  He only dwelt on her supposed "evilness", the way she told Jesus (honestly) that she had been married several times and missed the real point of the passages. 
 
 He missed how much Jesus valued her and praised her and had made her his theology student , preacher and Apostle to the Gentiles.  All this he missed and he distorted the meaning of the bible in regards to Jesus and women and community and the church.  One must be careful what is done with the bible and how it is presented.  Some use it to spread untruths, hate and contempt for others, including contempt and hate for women which was what he was doing.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/08 20:07:20 (permalink)
The suggestion of publishing a Lectionary is very good especially if it could include the positive women of the bible and undo the great harm the Vatican has done when it "revised" the Catholic Lectionary in the1970's and deliberately omitted most of the good women of the New Testament and what they did for Jesus and the Church.
 
Great suggestion to publish a Lectionary for the Catholic congregation and present it to the Vatican as a model and template for what the Lectionary should be.  A beautiful, faithful suggestion which tremendously helps us Catholics.  Thank you for suggesting this.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/18 08:24:18 (permalink)
Dear friends,

You may have noticed a new Forum on the Circles home page.  Its purpose is to share news and information about (http://www.catherineofsiena.net/default.asp) -- an exciting project developed by friends of www.womenpriests.org.  Because of the nature of the College and its aims, we want to help publicise its features.  Please: Spread the word! and consider enrolling in one of the courses. 

Catherine of Siena Virtual College specialises in Gender Studies. The aim of the College is to help people see clearly the origin of social, religious and cultural prejudices that have stifled the voices of women and subverted their dreams. One of its stated goals is to empower women around the world to assume positions of leadership in religion and society.

The College was founded in 2005 by a group of academics who were concerned about the plight of women in the world.  By January 2008, the College was open to students with its first run of courses.

A thread dedicated to information about the College is located here: Catherine of Siena Virtual College.  Check here for information about current course offerings and news about its work.

If you have questions, let me know.  I can help direct you to the resource people for specific information.

with love and blessings,

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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/19 19:07:37 (permalink)
Sophie,
 
Is it possible to send a donation via check? I noticed that the "donation by check" page on your web site has been underconstruction for a while.
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/20 00:17:41 (permalink)
Dear friend,

Thanks for your excellent question!  Yes. It is absolutely possible to send us a donation by cheque.  Your country of residence will be a factor  in helping you decide where to send it.

If you live in the UK, the particulars are:

Our Registered Charity no 1053251 in the UK.  The address for cheques is:

HOUSETOP
111A High Street
Rickmansworth
HERTS WD3 1AN
UK

If you live in the US, the particulars are:
 
Our Center is a registered Charity in the State of Ohio - #1748475. The address for cheques is:

Housetop Center for Women's Ministries,
2739 Queenswood Drive
Cincinnati, OH 45211
USA
If you are a US taxpayer who lives in the UK and want to give a tax deductible donation out of your UK income, follow this procedure:
If you are from a country other than the UK or the US, please let me know either here in Circles or at my email address: sophiecircles@yahoo.co.uk.  You can also contact Jackie at 'headquarters' [email=--jackie@womenpriests.org]--jackie@womenpriests.org[/email].

Thanks for your question!  On behalf of the campaign for women's ordained ministry in the Church, we are grateful that you remember our work!

with love and blessings,

~Sophie~
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/20 00:20:08 (permalink)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
For general information about providing financial support for our work, click here: http://www.womenpriests.org/care/default.asp
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/20 15:09:24 (permalink)
 

Dear friends,

In Europe, the address for donations in Euros (€) is:

Catherina van Siena Stichting
Koningsholster 64
6573 VV Beek-Ubbergen
THE NETHERLANDS
Our registered charity number in the Netherlands is no 41056067.

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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/20 15:15:16 (permalink)
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Sophie,

Is it possible to send a donation via check? I noticed that the "donation by check" page on your web site has been underconstruction for a while.


Dear friend,

We have the page now updated.  See here: http://www.womenpriests.org/care/cheques.asp

Thanks for your question!

with love and blessings,

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RE: Suggestions 2008/12/28 16:44:25 (permalink)
Thank you Sophie,
 
Do I make my check payable to
 
 "Housetop Center for Women's Ministries"
 
Donations in US Dollars ($):

Housetop Center for Women's Ministries,
2739 Queenswood Drive,
Cincinnati, OH 45211,
USA
 
I was the victim of a bait and switch. The lectionary did not have the "wives be submissive.." reading of Paul yet that is what was read. I did not give my donation. Instead I will send it to support you.
 
If you could respond soon regarding to whom the check should be made payable, it would be apprecaited. I would like to mail it out tomorrow.
 
May God bless you with the eternal happiness of the Christmas season.
 
 
 
 
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