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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/12 09:57:03 (permalink)
What Paul Really Said About Women     
 
by Dr.John T. Bristow
 
Excellent book that shows women are not to be inferior, and not to be silent, shunned, excluded from service in the church, that men are not to be "heads' of family or women, it is equality, and mutual respect, love and service between men and women.
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/12 10:51:29 (permalink)
The man is the head of the household, the woman is the heart;


I think it is better that both man and woman have a head and a heart.

Love is an orientation. A home where the man is the head but does not function with his heart is a cold home. A woman with all heart but no head cannot keep a home running effectively.

Love is an orientation. We function with our heads and our hearts.
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/13 04:33:45 (permalink)
The man is the head of the household, the woman is the heart; they balance each other and support each other; keeping each other from straying, and create a place that both can call Home.


This does not seem to be a declaration of man's power over women, women's inferiority, or any such thing.  Rather, it implies and shows their equality.  There is no balance if one over-powers the other.






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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/13 04:58:40 (permalink)
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The man is the head of the household, the woman is the heart; they balance each other and support each other; keeping each other from straying, and create a place that both can call Home.


This does not seem to be a declaration of man's power over women, women's inferiority, or any such thing.  Rather, it implies and shows their equality.  There is no balance if one over-powers the other.



 
If man is head of the household and woman must obey his rules, how is that equal?
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/13 05:03:14 (permalink)
As a woman, I have a head and a heart and I use them both. I would encourage all women and men to do the same.
 
Equal means equal. Man is not head of the household. The husband and wife are equal partners in the home.
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/13 05:54:23 (permalink)
If man is head of the household and woman must obey his rules, how is that equal?
 
Who said anything about having to obey rules? 

hmmm...Maybe this is a lack of understanding of the use of the term "Head of Household" and "Heart (of the Household)". 
"Head" does not imply superiority in this specific phrase. In other circumstances, as in the "Big Brother" TV series, it does. When used in conjuction with the "Heart" it acts as imagery of a human person, not as a role.  

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A home where the man is the head but does not function with his heart is a cold home. A woman with all heart but no head cannot keep a home running effectively


had it right.

The moral of this story: you need both and so does a relationship between two people and so does a Church.     
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If man is head of the household and woman must obey his rules, how is that equal?
 
Who said anything about having to obey rules? 


 
Good. Then man is not head of the household. Men and women are equal partners who make decisions together. One is not head of the other.
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/13 06:11:18 (permalink)
PS. Who said anything about superiority? It is even worse that that. Men are ascribed headship solely on the basis of their gender not their abilities.
 
Talk about discrimination!
 
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RE: womenchurch and the rise of homotheism 2009/05/14 14:12:36 (permalink)
When ideology or law or religion declares man is the "head" this leads to abuse, intimidation, control of women.  This leads to inequality and harm to women and is never what Jesus taught or said. 
 
 People who quote the words of Timothy, Titus, Paul are NOT quoting the words of Jesus who never declared that men are the "heads" of women or the family. 
 
 Jesus spoke directly and dialogued directly with both the "heads" and "hearts" of women, from the hemorraging woman, Mary Bethany, Samaritan woman, Phoenician woman and others and never consulted these women's male relative "heads". 
 
 Jesus did not proclaim or endorse or teach any diminishment of women's authority or women's autonomy.
Jesus directly interacted and granted women autonomy and dignity. 
 
God spoke directly to Virgin Mary as her own "head" as God through Angel Gabriel did not consult Virgin Mary's father on earth, the socalled family "head" nor did God have fiance of Virgin Mary , Joseph, grant prior "permission" as any supposed future "head" of Virgin Mary.
 
God made Virgin Mary her own "head" not her father nor her fiance Joseph.  Joseph was informed in a dream after Virgin Mary autonomously agrees to God's request of her.  She also questions God's represenative at length and engages all her mind, heart and soul in this. 
 
God and Jesus both reveal the truth about what is pushed too much at women, that is, the man is really not the "head" of women or the family.  Instead it is mutual love and respect of husband/wife, of mother/father, sister/brother: equality, not male "headship" and its control, intimidation, suppression of women.
 
  Autonomy and responsibility of both male and female is to be the way of the world, so that the talents, abilities and gifts of each can truly serve God and the family and the community and the world.
 
 
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