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2009/01/16 18:53:14 (permalink)

Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests

Dear friends,

In the following presentation, Father Edgardo Arellano attempts to explain and defend the Vatican's position excluding women from priesthood.  Also known as Father Bing, Father Arellano is the Spiritual Director of the Alliance of the Holy Family, International in Rome, Italy.


Father Edgardo Arellano

The video is about 9 minutes long.  You can link with it here:
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Do you agree with his arguments? Any questions, please let me know.

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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 00:56:15 (permalink)
    No I do not agree with Father Edgardo Arellano's "arguments" against women ordination.
     
    I agree with Father Roy Bourgeois.
     
    Please see YouTube  
     
      CNN Roy Bourgeois 121408  Should Women Become Priests
     
    Father Roy Bourgeois speaks to a CNN reporter in this interview with great clarity, grace and intellligence.
     
    Father Bourgeois is  truly  a priest of God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 02:04:41 (permalink)
    Sadly Father Edgardo Arellano is so disrespectful of Virgin Mary and nuns and all women.
     
    I agree that Father Roy Bourgeois has it correct, that women should be allowed ordination.
     
    Arellano is disrespectful even to Virgin Mary. 
     
    I recommend looking at Youtube's  :
     
     Blessed Virgin Mother  Scripture Tradition Mr T  video and it is 3 minutes, 48 seconds.
     
    Mr T has it right. "I pity the fool that does not treat his mother right ."  (or brother, sister, nun)
     
    It starts out with a Catholic priest being interviewed who disrespects Virgin Mary saying she is not so important because she is just a woman.  The priest puts down Virgin Mary and all women.
     
    Mr. T says "When you put down your mother, you put down mothers all around the world."
     
    This is a great song and video and has lovely pictures of Virgin Mary too.  Stop the foolishness and allow women to be ordained too as priests.  Yes, Virgin Mary is worthy to be a priest.  Yes Jesus chose women apostles.  Mary Magdalene and Junia and others are women apostles.  Jesus chose lots of women to work with the men in church.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 02:17:12 (permalink)
    Father Arellano says Virgin Mary is 'greatest of all Creatures. ' Creatures.   Note, he regards her much lesser than any man.  She is a "creature" to him.  Very revealing remark that he repeats.
     
    He obviously regards men as entitled above any woman. 
     
     Women ,even the 'greatest' woman, Blessed Virgin Mary. is still just a 'creature' to Father Arellano.
     
    It is regrettable he has such a position of authority in the church when he holds such demeaning views towards God's humans. women, and he degrades Jesus by claiming he speaks for Jesus.  He does not.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 02:35:43 (permalink)
    I am apalled by Father Arellano's remarks about what he calls the "homosexual scandal" that cost the church "8.4 billion dollars to pay for all the victims of homosexual actions of priests" and caused the Catholic Church an "ordeal".  He could care less for the thousands of  children  who were victims , or the girls who were molested by heterosexual priest abusers.  He sees it all as a terrible 'ordeal' for the church, not the victims.  His idea about this is disgraceful, and ignorant .
     
    He trivializes women and nuns and dismisses them as a "little problem, a little feminine problem" and really says that women and nuns are to be dismissed and to be labelled as 'feminists' if they express the calling to be ordained.  He denounces women and nuns as not to seek to be 'equal' or 'professional'.  He means they should not be educated or be  writers, teachers, professors, psychologists, social workers, as nuns because they are women.
     
    It is sad that he holds these views.  This is not the voice of Jesus when he speaks like that.
     
     
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 02:42:41 (permalink)
    Jesus deliberately directly taught women theology.  Women are not to be left out  of serving the church in all roles nor should women be  kept 'ignorant' and uneducated .  Father Arellano is so wrong in his ideas about women, Jesus and the church.  It is deplorable what he says in the video about women and ordination.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 02:50:11 (permalink)
    Father Arellano needs to read the New Testament.
     
    Jesus got the MALE apostles to go get food too. 
     
     Look at John 4 where the men apostles/disciples come back with food and Jesus does not want it as he has been refreshed by the spiritual nourishment from his discourse with the woman at the well, the Preacher to the Gentiles of Samaria, the woman Samaritan to whom he gives the Living waters of Faith.
     
    It is not true that all the women apostles did was to get food.  Jesus sent the men to do this too.  Jesus made the women true co-workers in the church, no discrimination comes from Jesus.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 03:02:55 (permalink)
    Jesus had seven women apostles and twelve male apostles.  Salome, Mary Magdalene, Joanna (Junia), Martha, Mary of Bethany, Susanna were with him from the beginning in Galilee to Resurrection and Pentacost and early church.  Mary received Pentacost too and women were present at meals with Jesus. Women anointed Jesus's head at one meal , Mary of Bethany .  At another meal with Jesus, the woman of the city anointed his feet.  It is ridiculous to claim women were not present at meals with Jesus.  The bible says differently and at Last Supper he gave bread and wine to his disciples and he had seven women disciples. The bible uses the term apostles and disciples interchangably or is a person going to claim the twelve male disciples are not apostles either?
    If Arellano can only leave behind his own anti-women prejudice he could read what is really in the New Testament.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/01/19 17:00:08 (permalink)
    Points To Ponder About Fr. Edgardo Arellano Talk Against Women As Priests
     
    1.  He claims the Pope says "case closed. no discussion."
     
    The Pope is thus not in the image of Jesus.  Jesus encouraged discussion and dialogue and WITH women too!
     
    Jesus never said "case closed, no discussion." 
     
     Jesus said "what ever you ask and request of God will be answered." 
     
     Jesus said change can happen, what is "bound and loosed in heaven and earth" can be changed through requests and prayers to God.
     
    Jesus changed in response to the requests and dialogue with Phoenician gentile mother who made Jesus change from just ministering and healing "children of Isreal only" to the gentiles too.
     
    The Pope is no "vicar of Christ " when he refuses the requests and to dialogue with all, including women. The Pope silences women, men, theologians, silences discussion and ideas for change and renewal, Jesus did not do that.  Jesus responded with wisdom, compassion, intelligence, love to the requests and discussions of people, women too.
     
    Jesus listened to women too and dialogued with them.  Jesus did not say "case closed. No discussion."
     
    2.  Arellano is wrong that it is "Tradition" "Always been male only priests".  NOT TRUE!
     
    Papal letters, archeological records, tombstones, Apostolic manuals and church records all show women were ordained priests and deacons in the Early Church.  For the first centuries women were ordained .
     
    For a long time it was "always been" "Tradition" to condone slavery.  A very wrong "Tradition" of the church.
     
    From 1200 to 1796 it was "Tradition" to have the church Inquisition  torture  and murder  a million women and  men by burning, drowning, crushing to death, beheading, dismembering, hanging women and many men over a 500 year period.  During these 500 years that was "Tradition".  It was wrong too.
     
    Jesus chose women as co-workers and did not ordain anyone or call any man a priest either.  He had women do all that men did.  It is correct there were women ordained as deacons and priests in the Early Church.  Ordaining women is the Tradition that should have been maintained.
     
    3.  Jesus chose Seven 7 Women Disciples/ Apostles as well as Twelve Male Disciples/ Apostles.  It is not true that there were only men.
    Mary Magdala, Susanna, Joanna, Junia, Martha, Mary of Bethany and others were with Jesus from the Galilee beginning to Resurrection, Pentacost and Early Church.  Only males?  Not true, Arellano.
     
    4,  You somewhat acknowledge the presence of women but dismiss them as go-fors getting places to stay and food. 
     
     Not so, Arellano!  Jesus made the Male apostles, disciples go arrange food, lodging too.
     
    Read New Testament John 4 as it is the men who come back from a food collecting task and Jesus is not hungry for it because he has been nourished by the great humility and great theological dialogue with his newest Woman Apostle, Samaritan woman who he praises for apostlizing Samaria, she preacher of the Gentiles.
     
    5.  Women were present at Pentacost too and obtained the Holy Spirit too.  Keep on reading the New Testament, as many women as well as men obtain the Pentacostal Holy Spirit too.
     
    You say women can never do priest role, they get instead a beautiful role as mother of God role as Mary is the model for them. 
     
     Only Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus. This is a silly thing to say that women have this role too.  Jesus never said women can only be mothers and that is their only role. 
     
    Jesus got the Samaritan woman to preach, apostalize to Samaria.  He did not tell her to go home and be a mother. Jesus never restricted women to being mothers or cooks or food preparers.  Read the bible, as Jesus informs Martha it is far better that Mary Bethany study theology than cook meals and clean house.
     
    You are wrong trying to limit women to domestic chores and non-service in the church.  Jesus never limited, never silenced, never excluded, never denied women education or roles in the church.
     
     
     
     
     
    Jesus listened to and dialogued with women too.  Jesus did not say " no discussion, case closed."
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/11 16:58:44 (permalink)
    I firmly believe if THE LORD calls a woman to preach (regardless of the denomination), she should do it!!!  People who do not ordain female ministers are listening to the Apostle Paul and Timothy, not Christ.  The only thing Paul ever did in life was to make sure everyone knew that a woman was as valuable as a decaying tooth.  Also, when Paul wrote Titus, he said that a woman should stay busy in the home.  The Southern Baptist Convention feels the same way.  Sadly, I am a member of a Southern Baptist church, but one day I will leave!!  Jesus was the first women's libber.  He shared some of His best teachings with women and included them in His group of believers.  People who choose not to ordain female ministers do not worship Christ, they worship Paul and Timothy.  If there were no women in churches, churches would not exist.  By the way, I am the only female usher in my church.  I am also responsible for the recruitment/training of ushers when the chairman (who is a male) is absent.  Women are no more important than men, and vice versa.  However, Southern Baptists, Catholics and other sexist denominations think that women are good for nothing but obeying her husband and doing "woman's work," of which there is no such thing.  If I get married, my husband will take care of himself.  I am not going to wait on him hand and foot.  Fr. Arellano (and many other chauvinists), you are a disgrace to the Lord. 
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/12 15:56:29 (permalink)
    Thank you for sharing the many excellent points you make  about how women ought to be allowed to be ordained in all Christian churches. 
     
     The real example, actions, and teachings of Jesus in regards to the role of women in the church should be followed: that is, ordain women too as deacons, priests, pastors, reverands, ministers.  Catholic church and other Christian churches must indeed make Jesus, God, Holy Spirit,  and not Paul the authority.  Great to hear from you.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 00:27:47 (permalink)
    Toowoomba bishop under Vatican investigation
    cathnews.com
    February 13, 2009



    Toowoomba Bishop William Morris has said he has been under investigation by the Vatican for two years after discussing the prospect of women or married priests in a pastoral letter.

    Bishop Morris said the diocese was challenged by the ageing of its priests, most of whom would be eligible for retirement by 2014, leaving only six priests out of the full complement of 40, The Courier-Mail reports.

    "The ultimate outcome is I'd be sacked and have to stand down," he said. "Or they would ask me to resign or operate in another diocese ... at this stage, I don't know."

    Bishop Morris, who has held the Toowoomba post for 16 years, said the Church couldn't stifle debate and that's what the letter was promoting. "I will continue to fight for what I believe is the truth," he said. And I will continue to fight to be able to ask questions."

    . . .
     
    Read complete article, see here: RE: Our Duty to Raise Loyal Questions
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 01:34:03 (permalink)
    A very wise woman once told me “once you give someone something, it is very hard to take it away.” Men have been handed power and privilege on a silver platter and they’re not going to give it up without a fight. As it is the fight doesn’t get much dirtier that this.
     
    Dredge up the cesspool of sexist discrimination against women. Gag the congregation and force them to wallow it its stench. Confuse backward customs of relegating women to subordinate roles with Christian dogma. Exclude women from being ordained priests and ministers and blame Jesus Christ for making them do it. And then, heresy of heresies, claim a woman’s spirit is too unlike God’s to be a priest. And now we have wandering Gestapo trolling parishes looking for priests who might be sympathetic to the idea of women priests in order to punish and exclude them.
     
    What next?
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 18:31:44 (permalink)
    Next, benedict and company is attacking the nuns. 
     
     his gestapo is trolling the consecrated women religious in order to silence, intimidate, shut down any female religious who obeys Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit and who publically acknowledges that women too are children of God, and should be ordained.
     
    nuns in conscience can espouse this enforced retraction and swear an enforced  misogyonist UnChristian oath against women and the church.  it is forced on them and thus negates itself.
     
    this suggestion is made because  nuns must continue to survive despite  the  tremendous evil inflicted  on them by  benedict xvi and his cronies. 
     
    due to intense pressure and cruel intimidation tactics imposed on the nuns, the nuns  and their communities and orders must not be destroyed by the Vatican and its minions. 
     
    Jesus teaches us to use all of our wits to survive such evil serpents, such crass pharisees  among us.
     
      in this case, it is the pope and his sycophants who are the evil serpent, the pharisees.   the nuns, priests and other catholics who value women and their true dignity and vocation in the church, must resist and use all their wit and wisdom to survive to continue their good works for the catholic community.
     
    the nuns, priests and catholics of good conscience and integrity who know women image Jesus too and should be ordained, must be like Jesus, must survive this 2 year  plus ordeal that is being inflicted on them by the vengeful, arrogant pope who has contempt for women and so many other members of the human family.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 18:39:51 (permalink)
    Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.  God knows the difference. 
     
     A pope that does not image Jesus is instead a type of Caesar, making himself a Roman god,  certainly no resemblance to Jesus.
     
    Jesus loved the ladies too and did not demean or exclude or silence women.  The pope is not Jesus.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 19:21:09 (permalink)
    Stand up to the bully.  United the group can stand.  Pope BXVI was called up on his anti-semitism and challenged by many.  A great opposition and outcry against Pope BXVI has forced him to make  some amends, even if only partially and ineptly regarding his anti-semitic remarks and his Pius X shenanighans. 
     
    Be a united front and do not give up principles.  70 % of North Americans, and Europeans support women ordination and married men ordination.  80% of theologians support women priests and ordaining married men.
     
     
    Pope BXVI has not got the authority to deny women and married men ordination.  Jesus, God and Holy Spirit are the authority over the pope and he has acknowledged that truth before.  PBXVI must continue to be challenged about what is universal, catholic, Catholic and the truth about the faith Jesus established.
     
     
     
     
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 20:02:11 (permalink)

    A very wise woman once told me “once you give someone something, it is very hard to take it away.” Men have been handed power and privilege on a silver platter and they’re not going to give it up without a fight. As it is the fight doesn’t get much dirtier that this....
    What next?

    What's next is that people find out that they truly do deserve the leaders that they choose to follow and teach their children to follow, that handing power and privilege to anyone is a mistake because it corrupts, that monarchy isn't a functional basis for community, that Christ intended people to learn to hear the voice of God rather than play dress-up as God, that all change in the world starts with the proper education of the children on how to get along with one another in the sandbox rather than fight to control one another in the sandbox, and that fighting accomplishes nothing.  You don't fight, you simply draw up your list of requirements and proceed to negotiate for getting them met like adults.
    In short, it's called growing up.
    One by one, that's what's next.  It's called growing up.
     
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 20:19:56 (permalink)
    True,,,ultimate irony is in 1st Peter there is Peter saying what Jesus taught him, "rule over noone, all have same authority, serve each other in humility, serve one another"....
     
    so a supreme pontif monarch, lording it over others certainly does not remotely match even the words of St. Peter in the New Testament.  the pope has not got the humility or servant model ability to be like Peter or like Jesus.  Peter calls Jesus alone the High Priest, and not himself.
     
    All there even in Peter passages.  Hmmm, quite the departure from pope ben's behavior. The pope has not the authority to mess with the Catholics or the world the way he is doing.
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 20:35:25 (permalink)
    Great points, woman who votes!
     
    is this what you say :  am I getting the understanding of it?
     
    Power corrupts, do not hand over power as it becomes abused
    Papal monarchy does not equal community
    Christ teaches us to listen to God's voice and not dress-up as God and pretend to be God
    cooperate and get along with each other , not power over and control and crush the other
    draw up list of requirements and negotiate as coequals, as adults
     
    Is this the journey we need to take?
     
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    RE: Father Edgardo Arellano: Why Women Cannot Be Priests 2009/02/13 20:40:14 (permalink)
    Jesus was the ultimate servant of the other and empowered others, giving the gift of love, the gift of  responsibility  and dignity to everyone to be really connected and part of the community. 
     
     Jesus celebrated and enjoyed the talents and gifts of others, letting others shine and contribute to the community,  whenever he could.  No dsicrimination, and no limits.
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