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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 06:06:56 (permalink)

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  If you go to Resources section home page  (far right, top corner) , you can look up Theologians  and read Tina Beattie's article in this web site about Van Balthasar and Jean Bouyer (similar)  so you can see for yourself how wrong Balthasar notions are , which misogynist Curia has so shockingly ( and secretly ) embraced precisely because it leaves out women entirely.  Most people are unaware of what the Vatican quietly teaches in the seminaries, as I too did not know until this web site informed me.  This Van Balthasar eucharist male sex notion  is wrong and not of New Testament or Jesus or God and needs to be stopped.     Maria


I've read the tripe these guys put out and dismissed it. It is not in the catechism. That means that it is not the general teaching. Most main-stream theologians grimmace at these ridiculous notions.

So, how do you plan to influence what is being taught in seminaries? I'm interested in this movement.

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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 06:22:06 (permalink)
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So, how do you plan to influence what is being taught in seminaries?



 
Good question.
 
More people need to know about it. But how does one make that happen?
 
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 06:43:14 (permalink)

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So, how do you plan to influence what is being taught in seminaries?




Good question.

More people need to know about it. But how does one make that happen?



Just about every parish has a place to post information. How about a flyer that gives the info and why it is bad theology? Bring it up with pastors and any other clergy that will listen. Make it a topic wherever people gather in His name.
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 06:45:45 (permalink)

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So, how do you plan to influence what is being taught in seminaries?




Good question.

More people need to know about it. But how does one make that happen?



Just about every parish has a place to post information. How about a flyer that gives the info and why it is bad theology? Bring it up with pastors and any other clergy that will listen. Make it a topic wherever people gather in His name.


Send a letter or email to every bishop stating that you don't want this taught in your diocese.
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 22:43:42 (permalink)
From: Agents of Change - reposted here...

Speaking of the Gospel of John, has anyone here read the research that leads to a potential conclusion that its eye-witness upon which the Johannine community wrote the gospel is likely Mary Magdalene? Imagine the implications if that gospel, which shows such a feminine way in attention to details and evidence of coming from an actual eye witness, comes from the "Apostle to the Apostles"!!!

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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 22:55:03 (permalink)
  Hi Jill    Have you read Acts of Philip?  (found     1970's in a Greek monastery, more complete text than 1820's translated version)  That sheds light on this matter about Mary Magdalene too.       Janet
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/29 23:37:46 (permalink)

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  Hi Jill    Have you read Acts of Philip?  (found     1970's in a Greek monastery, more complete text than 1820's translated version)  That sheds light on this matter about Mary Magdalene too.       Janet


Yes, and it may offer some minor supporting evidence (though gnositc gospels written around the year 200 so not in themselves add a great deal of credibility), but that does not compare with the internal evidence from the Fourth Gospel itself.

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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/30 01:35:26 (permalink)
  How do you see Gospel of Phillip supporting Mary Magdalene role.   from   Janet
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/30 05:18:14 (permalink)
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  How do you see Gospel of Phillip supporting Mary Magdalene role.   from   Janet


Valentinian considerations aside, this gospel shows us that the Magdalene was considered the greatest of Jesus' apostles by some factions of Christianity in the 2nd century. If those who won out by might and the transition to a governmental form of "church" that disallowed women holding land or public office, it is logical that MM's role would have been suppressed along with the role of women in general. In this context, we have to take a look at what we call "the church" and consider whether it is the actual church instituted by Christ. Of course, this doesn't wash with RCC teachings, but as scholars we still may ask the questions.

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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/30 06:29:18 (permalink)
 Hello I see the reason for the confusion here.
 
 I am referring to the "Acts " of Philip  not Gospel of Philip,  instead Acts of Philip.
 
 It is usually not considered Valentinian and it was not part of the gnostic Hammadi collection.
 
 Acts of Philip describes the ministry of Mary Magdalene and Philip, Philip being noted as her brother, biological.  It is an apocryphal writing.
 
 
   What makes it fascinating and relevant here is it refers to another suppressed writing
 
   Acts of Philip too was repressed, suppressed  and came to light because it was hidden in monastery wall and found in excavation.  A more complete text was discovered in a monastery wall in the 1970's and is being translated.
 
 The Major and Minor Books of Questions Put to Mary Magdalene in Dialogue With Jesus is another suppressed book which has been banned too .  Hopefully one day it too will surface like Gospel of Judas recently (1985) has.  These ancient texts show the dynamics of the early church and the theologies and varying positions in the beginnings of the Christian faith.
 
     Now these suppressed books seem quite fascinating- did Mary Magdalene actually have the theology discussions with Jesus that are recorded in John.  I refer to Major and Minor Questions of Mary Magdalene in Dialogue with Jesus.
 
      Was the identifty changed from Mary Magdalene to unknown Samaritan woman to take primacy of discipleship away from woman apostle, disciple Mary Magdalene and to also serve Johannine writers purpose of showing Gentile Samaria conversion through Samaritan Woman Apostle.  The New Testament has many questions it poses when one can see the scribal alterations/ insertions and theological agenda tampering that likely has gone on over the centuries, well over the millenias.    Connie
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/06/30 06:43:11 (permalink)
   Hi Connie from Janet.  Thanks Connie.  It probably is called Acts of Philip.  Sorry I posted it with the wrong title.
I guess it is like calling Paul's stuff Gospel of Paul when it is really called Acts  and Epistles and Letters.  This is really interesting to me because it lets you know how there are clues in the Bible.  It is like a big mystery story of what is really the real story here.  I read your posts about beloved disciple.  That is very interesting too.  I see your point about how important that is in our attitude to women and the value of parenthood and family and marriage.  If Jesus had a child and Mary Magdalene was the wife really. Celibacy is not the living end here.  Mary magdalene is a shadowy figure on purpose because it looks like she has been mostly removed from the Bible by the church fathers. Not good for our Catholic faith to keep denying the role of women.  Thanks for looking into this. You have peaked my interest a lot.
I have company this weekend so will revisit here later.  I find the ideas about Mary Magdalene very important and very interesting to the role of women in our church. Thank you so much from Janet
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/04 19:21:36 (permalink)
   In 1 Corinthians Paul indicates women play a pivotal role during the church's worship services, for example by their public prayers and prophesies (1 Cor. 11:2-16).
    However, the author of the Timothy text, living in a different age, when voices of women were being suppressed and their roles in the churches curtailed, this author, unlike Paul, explicitly forbids women even to speak aloud in church, telling them to talk only at home. and indicating that if they want to be saved they need to bear children (1 Tim. 2:11-15)-----not an enlightened view, and also NOT a view that Paul shared.  Here again we have a case of scribal insertion where Paul is falsely remembered in ways that stand at odds with the Paul of history and with the writings of Paul which praised women and depicted women as pastors, elders, prophets, deacons, church leaders, missionaries,  and preachers.
      Book: Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene, Oxford University Press, 2006.
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/13 05:25:18 (permalink)
  According to New Testament scripture, Paul and Jesus name more than 24 Women Apostles and Women Disciples.
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/23 22:31:15 (permalink)
The scripturally unsubstantiated theory that Jesus ordained priests at the Last Supper --and that only males were present, there -- is a major obstacle to the resolution of this issue.

The biblical commission appointed to discuss the question of women’s ordination has clearly come out with a nihil obstat.

Despite this, Rome still places our patriarchal tradition over and above the scriptures...and over and above what is right.

Bibliophobia and gynephobia seem to go together in Rome.
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:12:11 (permalink)
 
 
 
 
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Several distance education course pertinent to the study of Scripture are available through the University of Notre Dame's STEP programme (Satellite Theological Progamme.) 

Details will follow in the next two posts.

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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:12:42 (permalink)
Biblical Literary Forms

Price: $99.00 USD
 
Course Description
 
Schedule: Choose one of -
  • Monday, January 7, 2008 - Friday, February 15, 2008
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

  • Monday, June 16, 2008 - Friday, July 25, 2008
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

Course Description

Every written message is captured within a literary form presumably known to the reader. Not knowing the intended form of a message can lead to misunderstandings. If a message was written over 2,000 years ago, then knowing the intended literary form or genre is a challenge. This course is designed to acquaint course participants with some of the key literary forms found in the Bible. Participants will grow in their ability to read and understand the Bible through a study of these literary forms and by sharing reflections on the Sunday Scriptures

*Note: All participants must have their own copy of And God Said What? An Introduction to Biblical Literary Forms for Bible Lovers by Margaret Nutting Ralph (Paulist Press, 2003).

Course Content

Unit 1
  • Introduction to Form Criticism
  • Literary Forms: the Bible and the Gospels

Unit 2
  • Literary Forms: Myth and Legend

Unit 3
  • Literary Forms: Debate and Fiction

Unit 4
  • Literary Forms: Parable and Allegory

Unit 5
  • Literary Forms: Letters and Revelation

Course Format
  • Created by Notre Dame Theology Professor.
  • Six weeks in duration, with one week for orientation.
  • Typically 15-20 students in each course.
  • Supplemental resources are provided to encourage further exploration of topic.
  • Weekly written assignments (150-200 words) required.
  • Weekly facilitator moderated chat sessions with students in course.

Required Texts
  • All participants must have their own copy of And God Said What? An Introduction to Biblical Literary Forms for Bible Lovers by Margaret Nutting Ralph (Paulist Press, 2003).
  • All other course material available online in the course.


Participation Requirements

Requirements for course include:
  • Weekly reading of assigned texts.
  • Participation in class discussion using discussion area (minimum 2 comments, questions or responses weekly.)
  • Weekly written assignment (150-200 words.)
  • Weekly chat session with other students in course (3 required throughout course.)
  • Course evaluation.

Time Expectations
  • 3 to 5 hours a week (time varies from student to student depending on your learning style and schedule.)


Course Certificate

A Certificate of Completion awarding 25 Contact Hours will be sent upon completion of all course requirements.

Registration:  https://marketplace.nd.edu/step/
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:18:08 (permalink)
The Gospel of John: The Book of Glory

Price: $99.00 USD

Description 

Schedule:
  • Monday, January 7, 2008 - Friday, February 22, 2008
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

Course Description:  Created by Rev. Jerome Neyrey, S.J., this course invites students to join a process in which we will read chapters 13-21 and the Prologue (1:1-18) of John in sequence. By "read" we mean: 1. attending to the typical literary forms in which events are cast (miracle story, trial, call narrative, encomium), 2. learning the themes and "buzzwords" favored in the gospel ("my hour," "true," "remain," "love"), 3. appreciating the symbolic and representative nature of the dramatis personae, 4. becoming aware of the awesome hostility that emerges as the Jesus group separates from the synagogue, 5. noting how the acclamation of Jesus develops over time and is influenced by the historical events experienced by the Jesus group. All of this is typical biblical criticism, to which we will add materials from the world of sociology and cultural anthropology because we want to understand Jesus and John as the Mediterranean peasants they were.

Note: this course may be taken independently of the STEP course The Gospel of John: The Book of Signs. Either course may be taken and profitably enjoyed independently of the other. No prior study of the Gospel of John is required for either.

Course Content:


Unit 1: John 13-14
Unit 2: John 15-16
Unit 3: John 17-18
Unit 4: John 19
Unit 5: John 20-21
Unit 6: John 1:1-18 (the Prologue)

Course Format
  • Created by Notre Dame Theology Professor.
  • Seven weeks in duration, with one week for orientation.
  • Typically 15-20 students in each course.
  • All lecture text available online in text format.
  • Supplemental readings are provided to encourage further exploration of topic, internet links provided for all readings.
  • Weekly written assignments (150-200 words) required.
  • Weekly facilitator-moderated chat session with students in course.

Required Texts
  • All course materials available online in the course.

Participation Requirements

Requirements for course include:
  • Weekly reading of assigned chapters from the Gospel and accompanying notes (study guide.)
  • Participation in class discussion using discussion area (minimum 2 comments, questions or responses weekly.)
  • Weekly written assignment (150-200 words.)
  • Course evaluation.

Time Expectations
  • 3 to 5 hours a week (time varies from student to student depending on your learning style and schedule.)


Course Certificate: A Certificate of Completion awarding 30 Contact Hours will be sent upon completion of all course requirements.

Registration: https://marketplace.nd.edu/step/
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:25:34 (permalink)
The Gospel of John: The Book of Signs
Price: $99 USD

Schedule
  • Monday, October 8, 2007 - Wednesday, November 21, 2007
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

Course Description:  Created by Rev. Jerome Neyrey, S.J., this course invites students to join a process in which we will read each of the first 12 chapters of John in sequence. By "read" we mean: 1. attending to the typical literary forms in which events are cast (miracle story, trial, call narrative, encomium), 2. learning the themes and "buzzwords" favored in the gospel ("my hour," "true," "remain," "love"), 3. appreciating the symbolic and representative nature of the dramatis personae, 4. becoming aware of the awesome hostility that emerges as the Jesus group separates from the synagogue, 5. noting how the acclamation of Jesus develops over time and is influenced by the historical events experienced by the Jesus group. All of this is typical biblical criticism, to which we will add materials from the world of sociology and cultural anthropology because we want to understand Jesus and John as the Mediterranean peasants they were.

Note: this course may be taken independently of the STEP course The Gospel of John: The Book of Glory. Either course may be taken and profitably enjoyed independently of the other. No prior study of the Gospel of John is required for either.

Course Content:


Unit 1: John 1-2
Unit 2: John 3-4
Unit 3: John 5-6
Unit 4: John 7-8
Unit 5: John 9-10
Unit 6: John 11-12

Course Format
  • Created by Notre Dame Theology Professor.
  • Seven weeks in duration, with one week for orientation.
  • Typically 15-20 students in each course.
  • All lecture text available online in text format.
  • Supplemental readings are provided to encourage further exploration of topic, internet links provided for all readings.
  • Weekly written assignments (150-200 words) required.
  • Weekly facilitator-moderated chat session with students in course.

Required Texts
  • All course materials available online in the course.

Participation Requirements include:
  • Weekly reading of assigned chapters from the Gospel and accompanying notes (study guide.)
  • Participation in class discussion using discussion area (minimum 2 comments, questions or responses weekly.)
  • Weekly written assignment (150-200 words.)
  • Course evaluation.

Time Expectations
  • 3 to 5 hours a week (time varies from student to student depending on your learning style and schedule.)

Course Certificate: A Certificate of Completion awarding 30 Contact Hours will be sent upon completion of all course requirements.

Registration: https://marketplace.nd.edu/step/
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RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:29:54 (permalink)
Introduction to the New Testament
Price: $99.00 USD

Schedule: Choose one of -
  • Monday, August 27, 2007 - Friday, October 5, 2007
    • Facilitator: Cathy Crino

  • Monday, March 24, 2008 - Friday, May 2, 2008
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

  • Monday, September 1, 2008 - Friday, October 10, 2008
    • Facilitator: STEP Staff

Supplemental CD: This course offers an optional Supplemental CD. While the video lectures for the course are available in the course via webstreaming, Supplemental CDs containing the video lectures can be purchased for viewing the lecture without being connected to the Internet or for reviewing the lecture after the course has ended.

Course Description:  Created by Rev. Jerome Neyrey, S.J., a Notre Dame Theology Professor, the goal of this course is an adult appreciation and understanding of the New Testament scripture texts. And we aim to accomplish this by equipping you with the cultural, literary, and historical understandings necessary for a critical reading of the New Testament. The course will introduce participants to the New Testament through a close reading of five selected texts. During the five units of this course, participants will read two gospels (Matthew and Mark), an historical writing on the early church (Acts of the Apostles) and two letters, one surely from Paul (Philemon) and the other most likely from a disciple of Paul's (Ephesians). Five documents, but in three differing genres: gospel-biography, history, and letter. Each genre had its own convention and its distinctive literary contents (e.g. healings, controversies, parables).

Course Content
 
Unit 1: Gospels in General; Gospel of Matthew
  • Introduction to Gospels
  • Introduction to the Catholic approach to Scripture and Biblical criticism
  • The Gospel of Matthew

Unit 2: Gospel of Mark

Unit 3: Ancient Letters; the Letters of Paul; and Philemon
  • Introduction to ancient letters (types and conventions)
  • Philemon

Unit 4: Letter to the Ephesians

Unit 5: Acts of the Apostles


    Course Format
    • Created by Notre Dame Theology Professor.
    • Six weeks in duration, which includes orientation to online learning.
    • Typically 15-20 students in each course.
    • Material delivered by video lecture (via webstreaming). A CD-ROM of lecture also available for purchase.
    • All lecture text available online in text format.
    • Supplemental readings are provided to encourage further exploration of topic, internet links provided for all readings.
    • Weekly written assignments (150-200 words) required.
    • Weekly facilitator-moderated chat sessions with students in the course.

    Required Texts
    • All course materials available online in the course.


    Participation Requirements include:
    • Weekly reading of assigned chapters from the Gospel and accompanying notes (study guide.)
    • Participation in class discussion using discussion area (minimum 2 comments, questions or responses weekly.)
    • Weekly written assignment (150-200 words.)
    • Course evaluation.


    Time Expectations
    • 3 to 5 hours a week (time varies from student to student depending on your learning style and schedule.)


    Course Certificate: A Certificate of Completion awarding 25 Contact Hours will be sent upon completion of all course requirements.

    Registration: https://marketplace.nd.edu/step/
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    RE: Women Priests as Viewed from Scripture 2007/07/28 02:35:05 (permalink)
    The Letters of St. Paul
     
    Price: $99 USD
     
    Schedule
    • Monday, January 7, 2008 - Friday, February 29, 2008.
      • Facilitator: STEP Staff

    Course Description: Created by Rev. Jerome Neyrey. S.J., for STEP, the aim of the course is to read the letters of Paul as sympathetically as possible. This will require us not simply to read the documents repeatedly, but to read them in the cultural context in which Paul lived and wrote. For this purpose, I have provided five units of detailed notes in outline form. You should follow each unit's material, Bible in hand, and use the outline notes as a guide to your own careful reading of the letter. Not every single part of this course is equally important. But the top of the line is the text of the letters of Paul in your New Testament! This is the most important part of the course and reading the text many times is not negotiable.
     
    Course Content
     
    Unit 1: Letters and 1st Thessalonians
    • Introduction to the Catholic approach to Scripture and Biblical criticism
    • Letters in the New Testament
    • Philemon
    • 1 Thessalonians

    Unit 2: Philippians
     
    Unit 3: 1st Corinthians
     
    Unit 4: Galatians
     
    Unit 5: Romans
     
     
    Course Format:
    • Created by Notre Dame Theology Professor.
    • Eight weeks in duration, which includes orientation to online learning.
    • Typically 15-20 students in each course.
    • Material delivered by video lecture (via webstreaming). A CD-ROM of lecture also available for purchase.
    • All lecture text available online in text format.
    • Supplemental readings are provided to encourage further exploration of topic, internet links provided for all readings.
    • Weekly written assignments (150-200 words) required.
    • Weekly facilitator-moderated chat sessions with students in the course.

    Required Texts: All course materials available online in the course.
     
    Participation Requirements include:
    • Weekly reading of assigned chapters from the Gospel and accompanying notes (study guide.)
    • Participation in class discussion using discussion area (minimum 2 comments, questions or responses weekly.)
    • Weekly written assignment (150-200 words.)
    • Course evaluation.

    Time Expectations:  5 to 10 hours a week (time varies from student to student depending on your learning style and schedule.)
     
    Course Certificate: A Certificate of Completion awarding 60 Contact Hours will be sent upon completion of all course requirements.

    Registration: https://marketplace.nd.edu/step/
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