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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/18 18:46:30 (permalink)
   I got interested in Junia because I got given different bibles from friends and relatives because they know I like the bible and  because the kids started to get first communion and confirmation and people give  religious gifts like bibles for these celebrations of the family. 
 
   Before I  had just heard little bits from  the bible at church and women of the bible, good women, got mostly left out at church. 
 
 When I started reading the New Testament, especially the books with Jesus talking, being quoted,  or books by Paul, well, it was really amazing to read about all these women active in the church that I had never heard about before, including married couples and married couples of apostles, and a woman apostle considered so great by Paul that he considered her outstanding and foremost.  Junia. The name sounded like the latinized Romanized version of Joanna  of the women disciples group of Joanna, Mary Magdalene, Salome, Martha, Bethany Mary and Susanna.  Paul had  Romanized his own name from Saul to Paul, so why not Joanna's name to Junia and I looked up the name of Juno, who is the great Roman goddess.  It made sense.
 
     I have a hubby and kids, a job and not much time, like everybody else!  The bibles sometimes use a man's name with the footnotes calling her a woman and very often Julia, a woman too, and something seemed  like big time cover-up--like a type of  bible scam to hide that she was probably a woman.
 
 I also noticed that Paul was really very supportive of women in the church and was responsible for letting us know about so many great biblical woman.  The 2 or 3 anti-woman passages in Timothy and Titus started to look very suspicious too, like they were not written by Paul because the rest of his writing does not restrict or silence women and neither does Jesus.  so, I wanted to know more.  It is like a detective story and Rena Pederson's book is great. 
 
   Spong's books and John A. Sanford's books and Leonmard Swidler's books and so many are great!  The history is fascinating too and how greed and money were and are responsible for so much suppression and abuse of men and women.  I found out the Inquistion was mostly about getting property and money from widows and women .  The crusades an opportunity to seize relics and power and property from the Orthodox church and give it to European and Roman churches.  The pope history is so full of intrigue and nepotism and scoundrels it is incredible yet true!  Truth is stranger than fiction!
 
  How can we get this better known?  The disappeared women returned to the place that Jesus and Paul and God called them for?  It is just like the puzzle of the problem of sin and evil, like the Book of Job. 
 
 We have to try!  It is awful that the pope is giving these Wednesday Early church lectures and leaving out the women again,.  We have to call him to the account for such travesties.  The pedophile scandal got so much attention it became sort of addressed, by Rome, though not really.  No eform yet, no firing of clergy criminals yet. 
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/19 14:50:29 (permalink)
  Another book which shows that Junia was a Woman apostle and not a man, is by E. Epp  Junia, The First Woman Apostle   Minneapolis, Minn. Augsberg Fortress 2005.
This very scholarly erudite book shows that through intensive research that the name could not be masculine.  Junia was a woman apostle.  Epp is quoted too in the book about Junia and the Early church and church history and Early Christian women by Rena Pederson. 
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/22 12:33:57 (permalink)
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Hello Sophie   

    Can you please,  when you get a chance, edit some of the above posts   It is Boniface VIII    Eight   , not VII,  and  Innocent VII and Innocent VIII were a different century .    It is Boniface 8  or VIII who issued the papal bull in 1298 that severely restricted the Women religious so that they could not leave the cloister, control their dowry, have visitors or attend university.  Very wealthy women could have tutors.

It is under pope Boniface VIII that Archbishop Giles of Rome changed the name Junia to Junias and helped undermine women in the church and bible.  Universities really got started in the 1200's and  Rena Pederson lists the dates that universities opened in Europe.  The church also made it  forbidden for women to attend university too. 

 
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/22 13:55:13 (permalink)
Women Apostles   Mary Magdalene
 
There is a great chapter in Pulitzer Prize nominated author, Rex Weyler's 2008 book The Jesus Sayings, The Quest For His Authentic Message,   Publishers Group West, Berkeley, CA, and  Harper Collins Publishers Canada  about Mary Magdalene.  This is an awesome book! 
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/22 13:59:21 (permalink)
Matthew Fox, a great theologian and supporter of women priests , he  wrote Original Blessings book recommends Rex Weyler's book  The Jesus Sayings.  Weyler examines Church Fathers writing and early Christian writings, and theologians writings  and it is a wonderful book.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/24 19:08:21 (permalink)
 
 
 



Saint Joanna, Widow
Feastday May 24

1st century. Joanna, wife of Herod Antipas's steward Chusa, was one of the women who helped provide for Jesus and the apostles (Luke 8:3) and was one of the three women who discovered the empty tomb of Jesus on the first Easter morning (Luke 24:10) (Benedictines, Delaney, Gill). In art, Saint Joanna's emblem is an ointment box, which she carries. Sometimes she is shown with a lamb near her and a cross in her arms; carrying a pitcher in a basket; or with her husband, among court ladies hearing Jesus preach. She is venerated by the Jesuits (Roeder).
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/05/26 23:33:12 (permalink)
 
 
 
 
The Three Marys
Feastday May 25

1st century. This feast is observed in Camargue at the mouth of the Rhône (and elsewhere) in honor of Mary Madgalen, Mary the wife of Cleophas (John 19:25), and Mary the mother of James (Mark 15:40). It is associated with the legend that these three Marys, together with Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, his sister Martha, who had been 'cumbered about much serving,' and other pious people, driven out of Palestine, arrived at Marseilles and proceeded to evangelize Provence. The beginnings of this baseless story are first found only in the 11th century in connection with the alleged relics of Mary Magdalen at Vézelay, Burgundy.
Nevertheless, it is still popularly believed in Provence and other places (Attwater).
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/20 13:47:06 (permalink)
The fact that there were hundreds of churches and monasteries named after Mary Magdalene in the Middle East, in Syria and Greece and other countries of the Middle East for the first thousand years of Chrisitianity shows that Mary Magdalene was indeed an important apostle of Jesus and  very respected and revered  early leader of the church.
 Rome later largely omitted her to diminish the role of women in the church.
 Look how in modern times Rome has removed most positive biblical women from the Catholic Lectionary.
  Pope Gregory orchestrated the smear on Mary Magdalene to call her falsely "a prostitute" instead of an apostle and church leader.
  Some church writers of antiquity wrote how alarmed they were that other church writers were deliberately rewriting the bible and omitting passages or rewriting other passages.  Omitting women of the church or changing what was written about women and the church is  not new to the church, as this is still done today. (Catholic Lectionary.)
 
  Source:  The Jesus Sayings, The Quest For His Authentic Message, 2008, author Rex Weyler.
  
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/20 14:02:05 (permalink)
"The Roman Church would later purge virtually all traces of women disciples from the story of Jesus.  Perhaps because they could not make Mary Magdalene disappear, they slandered her reputation.  Fortunately at the end of the nineteenth century, a Coptic papyrus codex appeared on the antiquities market in Cairo. Grenfell and Hunt had found earlier Greek fragments of this manuscript in Oxyrhynchuus. Suddenly after nearly two millennia of suppression, the feminine voice of the Jesus tradition emerged.  Once again scholars had to revise their understanding of the Galileans's message."  from Rex Weyler's very insightful book, The Jesus Sayings, The Quest For His Authentic Message, 2008.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/20 14:12:24 (permalink)
"As the brethren desired me to write epistles, I wrote.   But apostles of the devil have filled these epistles with tares, cutting out some things, and adding others....No wonder, then, if some have dared to change even the word of the Lord."
 
Bishop Dionysius of Corinth, c. 170 C.E.
 
"There are many true things that are not useful for the vulgar crowd to know; and certain things, which although they are false, it is expedient for the people to believe otherwise."
 
Augustine of Hippo, City of God, 426 C.E.                 from Rex Weyler's book The Jesus Sayings, The Quest For His Authentic Message, 2008.
 
Tampering with the New Testament over the centuries by church scribes and popes ?  The dreadful toll this destrution of the bible has done to the church and the world and women, children and society still reverberates today.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/21 21:20:17 (permalink)
Historian Rosemary Ruether  credits the example of Jesus and Mary Magdalene with adding the idea of worldly justice through spiritually inspired action.  Jesus and the Magdalene shocked the status quo and change the balance of power.  They give the poor and dispossessed hope for a better future.  Jesus accepts women equally, as he accepts everyone equally, correcting the gender and class bias of conventional society.  Ruether believes that  the Jesus and Mary relationship represents a united male-female spirituality that "calls us to repent of power over others and to reclaim power within and power with one another."   from The Sayings of Jesus book, 2008, by R. Weyler
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/21 21:31:12 (permalink)
"According to Elaine Pagels, the Gospel of Mary depicts Mary Magdalene as "the one favoured with visions and insight that far surpass Peter's."  The second century Dialogue of the Saviour expands earlier sayings collections into a discussion between Jesus and the disciples, similar to the Mary GospelDialogue of the Saviour mentions only three disciples--Matthew, Judas and Mary Magdalene--and praises Mary Magdlane as the "woman who knew the All."  In addition to the canonical Gospels, at least seven independent tects written during the first three centuries after Jesus place Mary Magdalene as a favoured disciple."
 
"To our great fortune, Mary Magdalene apparently told her story and scribes in Egypt recorded it.  We  may thank her nameless devotees who buried this manuscript in the dry hills along the Nile River, for the good news that the library of human knowledge still possess the Gospel of Mary". from The Sayings of Jesus book, 2008, by R. Weyler.
 
For the first millenium after the death of Jesus there were hundreds of churches and monasteries dedicated to Mary Magdalene.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/21 21:46:22 (permalink)
The word Magdalene represents a title and not a hometown.  Jerome, who translated the Bible into Latin at the opening of the Fifth Century, believed Magdalene reflected Mary's stature as a disciple, that she appeared as a "tower"--a title, not a hometown,  { No first century evidence exists of any Magdala town in the Middle East or Israel or Judea or Samaria.}  Micah the prophet of the bible refers to "You, O tower of the flock, hill of daughter Zion, to you it shall come, the former dominion shall come."  The Hebrew and Aramaic word for "tower of the flock" is the magdal-der, her people's queen.  She oversees everyone, acts as the people's protector. She chooses a king who assists her in restoring life and defending the people."  The Magdalene.  from The Jesus Sayings book, whose author is Rex Weyler. This is a fascinating and comprehensive book and he has written a very interesting book about Early Christianity and the development of the religion and the impact on the modern church and society.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/06/21 22:02:37 (permalink)
Personally I think traces of Dialogue of the Saviour and Gospel of Mary are found in the great dialogue narration of John 4, where Jesus discusses theology with, and thoroughly admires and appreciates the Samaritan woman.  Have scribes replaced the great apostle Mary Magdalene here with the unknown Samaritan woman, in order to retain some part of this teaching of Jesus while simultaneously robbing a female apostle of her revered position and place in the apostlehip of Jesus--- trying to make sure only "male" disciples  and apostles are paid attention to and remembered in the Jesus story?  What do you think? 
 
 I have puzzled over this amazing text of John 4 ever since really reading it and also finding out about Mary Magdalene, her Acts of Phillip books, and the Gospel of Mary, Dialogue of the Saviour books that were buried for more than a thousand years in the caves of the Middle East.  The Roman church tried to silence and suppress her by destroying copies, and these  few copies were fortunately set aside for posterity. 
 
 The Roman church is still silencing and supressing theologians and religious books, witness what is done to Hans Kung, Solermo, Geoffrey  Robinson, Richard Sipes, Matthew Fox, just to name a few that the church has recently tried to silence and suppress. 
 
After the crusades and when nobility returned with  some of these texts like the Gospel of Mary  from the Middle East, and questioned Rome's take on religion, these questioning people found themselves tortured, silenced, the books seized and burnt and the people too burnt or terrified into silence by the Inquisition.    Connie
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/07/22 01:50:57 (permalink)


Today, July 22, is the feast day of Saint Mary Magdalene, devoted friend of Jesus, woman preacher, first witness and herald of the resurrection, woman leader in the early Church and Apostle to the Apostles.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/07/22 17:20:55 (permalink)

Mary Magdalene
 
What is an apostle?


The noun 'apostle' (apostolos) derives from the Greek verb apostello.  It means 'to send.'  Accordingly, an apostle is 'one sent'  as an envoy or a missionary. The word did not originate with Christians.  It is found in secular Greek literature where it refers to a bearer of a message (e.g., Herodotus 1.21; Plato, Ep. 7.346a).  The verb is also found in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) at Ezra 7:14 and Daniel 5:24. In the early third century Origen defined the term this way: Everyone who is sent by someone is an apostle of the one who sent them (Jo 32:17). In the New Testament, the purpose for the sending is to carry on the mission of Jesus.

- Barbara Reid, OP, The Other Apostles, http://www.womenpriests.org/circles/fb.asp?m=7588
 
Barbara E. Reid, O.P., holds a Doctorate in Biblical Studies from The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. She is Professor of New Testament at Catholic Theological Union,Chicago. She is the author of Parables for Preachers (Liturgical Press, 1999; 2000; 2001), A Retreat With Luke and is New Testament Book Review Editor for the Catholic Biblical Quarterly. She has led a number of CTU's Israel Study Programs and Retreats.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/07/26 02:52:39 (permalink)
Migdal-eder, the Great Mary, Daughter of Zion, Tower of the Flock, prophesy from Micah, Mary Magdalene.  Chosen by Jesus, anoints Jesus and is witness and teacher, chosen by Jesus.  A great disciple and apostle.
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/07/27 06:23:28 (permalink)
When Mary Magdalene greets Jesus at the Resurrection is the New Testament really saying Mary is now the great Rabbi, the leader chosen by Jesus.  Has the story been changed, was Jesus now calling her the new Rabbi, the true keeper of the keys?  So much is missing in the bible about her just to lead to male supremist patriarchial clergy elite,
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RE: The Women Apostles, the Women Disciples 2008/07/31 02:00:48 (permalink)
 

July 29 is the feast day of Saint Martha of Bethany
 
Martha is one of the first people to profess belief in Christ:

She said to him, "Yes, Lord. I have come to believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who is coming into the world."

John 11, 27
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Courtesy of Ansgar Holmberg, CSJ
 
Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. (But) even now I know that whatever you ask of God, God will give you."

Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise."
 
Martha said to him, "I know he will rise, in the resurrection on the last day."
 
Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
 
She said to him, "Yes, Lord. I have come to believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who is coming into the world."

John 11, 21-27
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